Posts by Sea Breeze

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Why the term "disfellowshipped " was removed

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ags07jlopcy?si=g9ra1jqksuuauyax.

Sea Breeze

For all it's flaws in the past, at least the basic theology appeared to have some sort of internal "logic" and integrity. Now it's just change and tinker about with whatever you want to, from year to year, even if it messes up other stuff in the doctrine.

@ Journeyman

Their "logic" was always nuts in my opinion....Like deceiving everyone to reject the New Covenant which is specifically for the "forgiveness of sins" and not government positions? (See Mt. 26: 27-28)

Participation in the NC is how a person gets born again, which Jesus 3 times told Nicodemas a person must do.

Or maybe the "logical" teaching that Jesus is an angel? Kinda hard to invite the spirit of the Lord into our heart if he is really only an angel.

if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8: 9

Whatever "logic" the WT may have, it only appeals to the flesh and guarantees condemnation.

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"Slave" is confused about the start of judgment!

by BoogerMan in

(1 peter 4:17) "...it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of god.".

w04 3/1 p. 16 par.

15 - "....christ jesus...in 1918, he came to god’s spiritual temple and fulfilled peter’s words: “it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of god.” (1peter 4:17).

Sea Breeze

Romans 8 -

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The judgement in 1 Peter 4: 17 is whether or not a person is born again and walking after the Spirit. It probably also includes the judgment of unbelievers on Jerusalem in 70 AD that Jesus famously predicted: "not a stone will be left on a stone" of the temple.

When the temple was burned the gold melted and the Roman soldiers pried the stones apart to get it in a rather dramatic fulfillment of his prophecy.

What is not meant (to the shame of Watchtower) is that Christians in the Church Age are under some sort of judgment. To the contrary, Christians are under Grace, not Law during the Church Age, if indeed they are born again. Professing Christians should check to make sure.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus - Romans 8: 1

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Ages of each user here?

by ukpimo in

jw
friends

i'm interested to know the age demographics here.

it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.

it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.

Sea Breeze

I’m 61

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Reddit thread re Oct 2024 WT with picture of window washer - Theme knocking people who Planned

by LongHairGal in

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friends

this thread currently has over 300 comments.. it shows a picture of an older man washing a window looking wistfully… then it talks all about how some may have doubts about not having planned and the situation they are in now that they are older, etc.

it refers to others who did plan and who supposedly have ‘apparent’ financial security.

in my opinion, the whole gist of this article is to make older witnesses feel better who did not pursue a career or plan well for retirement.. it tries to imply that those others who planned only have ‘apparent’ financial security - which is to say they don’t (?).

Sea Breeze

And make it seem like those who did not plan for retirement are the elite and worthy ones.

Exactly. This is the WT's M.O. Fill people full of pride and self-grandizement and then hand them a turd and make them feel special, elite, and worthy for being chosen to receive it.

This is how they started, it is how they mobilized millions to distribute their literature, and how they got people to reject the free gift of salvation in exchange for a hectic meeting schedule and hour requirement.

Pride is some nasty stuff. It will take everything from you and turn you into a slave if you are not careful.

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Trump assassination attempt??

by Diogenesister in

it happened at a rally in pennsylvania, apparently.

he seems ok i've seen a photo of him bleeding from his ear.

this is absolutely nutso....if it's too it doesn't surprise me the way they constantly describe him as "far right" and that his supporters are "maga republicans".

Sea Breeze

Democratic leaders and their supporters in the media have been calling for violence for years. Here's a few examples:

https://x.com/i/status/1812542729064444273

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The Greatest Christian Doctrine

by Sea Breeze in

the wt likes to quote ad infinitum that the central doctrine of the christian faith is the trinity.

they quote some catholic sources, yadda, yadda, yadda.

it is a great misdirection.

Sea Breeze

@Pronger1

Calling people ignorant and trash is well... ignorant and trashy. Please comment on the topic of Substitution or shut the hell up.

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Has The "Evil Slave" Died Out?

by Sea Breeze in

those of us who have deep roots into watchtower remember the shadowy whispers about "the evil slave" when we were kids.. for those that need to get up to speed: .

the internal crisis came to its full with the occurrence of an outstanding bible-predicted event, namely, the coming of jehovah’s “messenger,” christ jesus, to jehovah’s temple for judgment in the spring of 1918, to separate the “faithful and discreet slave” class from the “evil slave” group.

(mal.

Sea Breeze

@ BM

Agree, all anyone has to do is read it to know that it is a hypothetical scenario meant for individual introspecion.

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The Rapture

by Sea Breeze in

when i was pioneering, i don't remember ever addressing the rapture question.

does anyone know how a jw would respond to this verse?

for the lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of god.

Sea Breeze

@Pronger1

So, according to you - New Jerusalem descending to earth is literal but meeting Jesus in the air like scriptures says is symbolic. And, anyone who disagrees with your ability to know which verses are literal and which ones are symbolic is "ignorant".

This style of hermeneutics sounds familiar for some reason.

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Members of congregation know it’s not true

by Mikejw in

we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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Sea Breeze

Just think what would happen if all the members who know it's not true decided to leave regardless of the repercussions.

I think the WT would experience a 50% loss and the WT probably couldn't survive that. So, it's really a lack of character and fear that keeps the whole charade going.

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The Rapture

by Sea Breeze in

when i was pioneering, i don't remember ever addressing the rapture question.

does anyone know how a jw would respond to this verse?

for the lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of god.

Sea Breeze

I wonder what the old "understanding" was?